Says in the first meeting the fact of DNA that matched no lacrosse players but were from other males came up, probably at the April 10 meeting. He says he may be conflating two of those meetings. During the course of the discussion Meehan told him they’d examined all the items from the rape kit and found no match to any of the 46 player samples but had found DNA from males that didn’t match any of the players.

They talked about how DNA could get transferred, he says. Wants to “put things in context.” Says we knew this was not “an ejaculatory event” so at the time they were not looking for any evidence of that. Expectation was Meehan would examine all the evidence. We talked about the non-matching DNA, he said. But from a vaginal swab he felt this had come “from old sperm,” meaning at least three days old. So we knew that wasn’t involved in this incident, he says. Says the remaining material was insufficient to generate a full profile.

Says they talked about how there could be a transfer of DNA. Discussed the fingernails and how DNA from other items, like tissues, and Meehan said it was not likely there would be a transfer of DNA in that manner. Example, if you pick up a pen and put it back down it’s not likely you’ll put DNA on it or take anything away from it. But if you grind into it, you will, he said Meehan told him.

“I looked at this as a preliminary result that didn’t have a whole lot to do with the testing,” he said. But adds quickly “that certainly was something the defense was entitled to have.” Says he doesn’t deny they had a right to that evidence. OK, so why didn’t they get it?